好像大家打的都没装better BTS AI

xiaos6638

看各位牛人的战报时发现高难度下铺天盖地的小野没有顺着山路林子直扑你工人开垦过的地块，而是往林子中驻防的部队碰。

这两种不同行为给玩家带来的压力不可同日而语，而这只是better BTS AI中的一小点。没装的情况下看来降了一个难度还不只，难怪我看战报总觉得有点怪。

[ 本帖最后由 xiaos6638 于 2012-9-12 11:20 编辑 ]

Now_Shoot

better AI 怎么个改进法？ 怎么个增加难度法？ 有没有开发者的说明啊。

我没装，但是小野到了40回合后也会顺着山或森林往我开垦的地块扑啊，如果是40回合前，那都是看到棒子就撞的。

[ 本帖最后由 Now_Shoot 于 2012-9-12 12:44 编辑 ]

沙漠胡杨

英文不习惯

yalinzi

。。电脑会考虑绕过你的驻防的。。

Now_Shoot

原帖由 yalinzi 于 2012-9-12 16:34 发表
。。电脑会考虑绕过你的驻防的。。

话说4区没人气了，打算转到5区混去。你玩过5没。

Now_Shoot

找到了better AI 的说明了，来自2008年的一个帖子，够老的了，一下是引用的那个帖子：

附上原 better ai 0.01 的更改说明

Beyond Better AI Changelog
_________

- Fixed bug in player closeness calculations causing the AI to be blind to its actual proximity to other players (CvPlayerAI::AI_playerCloseness, used Option A from Unofficial Patch discussion thread)

Unofficial Patch Changelog
_________

- Fixed bug where culture/espionage would not display for building popups
- Fixed bug where spies would be ejected from a square when declaring war
- Fixed bug that caused the AI to trade for resources it already had (appears as grossly uneven trades)
- Refixed trade bug
- Refixed culture/espionage display bug
- Fixed bug with Warlords attaching to units when the Great General is part of a selection group
- Prevented new Colonies from overwriting previously existing Civs
- No longer displays new Colony message if player hasn't met Master Civ
- Workers on Transports no longer perform capture of cities (thereby displacing all other units) when city is captured
- Units considered "unsuitable" for city defense will no longer be prevented from healing in cities
- No longer able to base an unlimited number of air units in vassal's cities
- Can found Corporations under Mercantilism
- Vassal's spies will no longer be "caught" in your territory
- Amount of time worked taken into consideration by city plot selection (thanks SevenSpirits)
- The Vassal of a Capitulating Civ is freed before peace treaty
- Mouse-over for Worker actively working a plot no longer counts Worker twice
- Automated Workers will no longer idle when railroading is possible
- Mouse-over for Join City now displays extra bonuses for Great People
- Vassals freed by Capitulating Master no longer refuse to talk
- Privateers can only enter team members' or vassals' cities
- Automated Workers will no longer idle in cities within 2 squares of a hostile border
- Refixed Vassal/capitulation
- AIs less likely to build Executives if they can't afford to use them or already have sufficient
- Buildings that grant both heathiness and unhealthiness will display both instead of neither in building popups
- Vassals can no longer be their Master's worst enemy
- Espionage ratio for humans now displayed in score tooltip (thanks morbus)
- Improved worker threat assessment from units able to move multiple squares
- Spies no longer interrupt their mission when moving next to an enemy unit
- Fixed AI turn slowdown caused by change to worker threat assessment
- Relationship penalty for declaring war on a friend checks if Civs are at war
- Altered previous worker threat assessment check so it's less useful, but more efficient
- Fixed bug (introduced) causing endless loop at "waiting for players"
- Fixed bug (introduced) causing the Great Persons civilopedia entries to be blank
- Stolen techs can no longer be traded with No Tech Brokering enabled
- New Colonies mirror their Master's tech status with No Tech Brokering enabled
- New Colonies mirror their Master's exploration (map) status
- Healthy/Unhealthy bonuses will display properly under more circumstances (events, etc)
- Extended spy ejection protection to Great Spies (and any other unit considered "always invisible")
- AI Civs under Theocracy will no longer accept gifted Missionaries
- Units withdrawing from combat will be removed from selection group (thanks Moctezuma)
- When bumping naval units from cities, preference will be given to water tiles
- Tweaks/bugfixes to improve starting city locations (thanks SevenSpirits)
- Cities no longer require a Monument to allow Spies to sabotage buildings
- Rivers added for starting locations will generate flood plains if they pass through desert tiles
- Spy unit help popup will display the percentage espionage cost decrease from fortification

关于better AI的说明就是上面的这些英文。
貌似只有这一项是增强AI的：
- AIs less likely to build Executives if they can't afford to use them or already have sufficient

可惜这一项也只是关于控制AI造公司经理的数量而已。纵观整个better AI的说明，没有提及增强小野的智能。主要是fix各种各样的bug，而且又是非官方的，有没有副作用都不知道。感觉不是为了提高AI能力而做的东西。

[ 本帖最后由 Now_Shoot 于 2012-9-12 20:10 编辑 ]

Now_Shoot

原帖地址：

http://www.civclub.net/bbs/viewt ... page%3D6&page=2

在23楼你会找到关于better AI的描述。

cuc

以前说过，我推荐K-Mod。这是个完全以改进基础游戏为目的的mod，不仅AI在Better BtS AI基础上更进一步，游戏执行速度也有很大提升。BUG什么的已经整合在其中了。

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=407049

[ 本帖最后由 cuc 于 2012-9-13 00:39 编辑 ]

Now_Shoot

装了一下你说的那个K-MOD，虽然不知道改进在哪里，但是上面也说了卸载方法，于是就装上。

结果一运行有十几处XML错误。

Now_Shoot

其实因为AI并不是专门以玩家为对手，而是将玩家和其他AI等同视之。现在将AI智能增强，那么六个AI同时增强，他们之间就互相抵消了，

只要玩家搞好和AI的关系，AI不找玩家麻烦只找其他AI的麻烦，那么改进AI只能是让AI互相间打的更激烈。

由于AI不懂得处理人际关系，AI也不会像玩家那样审时度势，知道哪些AI可以得罪，哪些AI不能得罪。所以AI采取的策略仍然是每个城都放一堆兵，对每一个AI都提防。

但是玩家不一样，玩家知道哪些AI是please不宣战，哪些AI是friendly不宣战，所以玩家可以把军事单位集中起来对付一个AI，从而玩家的单位数量仍然有机会在局部超过AI，在军事上战胜AI。

所以如果真要搞出一个变态AI，那就只能是要做到像玩家那样审时度势，忍辱负重。更要像玩家那样，即使friendly也照翻脸不误。但这就超出游戏框架了，正如K-mod的说明，改进不会超越游戏本身的框架。

所以说，K-mod也好better AI 也好都没有从根本上改进AI，AI仍然不会处理人际关系，而且AI不会向抱大腿的玩家下手，我认为这些导致难度并没有从本质上提高。

这些mod早已有之，但是用这些mod的人仍然是用旧有战术，也可看出改进AI的改进的程度。

[ 本帖最后由 Now_Shoot 于 2012-9-13 09:20 编辑 ]

yalinzi

玩过难度6，难度8太监了
不过，最大的感觉是文明4后期造兵累，文明5后期打仗累。。

yalinzi

另外，有点费机器。。

Now_Shoot

原帖由 yalinzi 于 2012-9-13 09:21 发表
另外，有点费机器。。

哦，网上下了个破解版，好像玩不了。

Now_Shoot

这K-mod 实在用着不爽，画面被改动，而且早期交易栏里看不到AI有多少城了。改了不该改的地方啊。

Now_Shoot

这K-mod怎么回事啊，都34回合了，哈妹还没首发印度教，目前只有阿育王首发了佛教。好不容易开了一副好图，想抱大腿却没处抱。

[ 本帖最后由 Now_Shoot 于 2012-9-13 15:22 编辑 ]

yalinzi

貌似我在游侠网上下载的
似乎还有打补丁
也在游侠网上下的

Now_Shoot

原帖由 yalinzi 于 2012-9-13 15:40 发表
貌似我在游侠网上下载的
似乎还有打补丁
也在游侠网上下的

好，回去下下来。

yalinzi

我觉得5代文化胜利比较有趣。。深陷其中不能自拔
不过主要还是因为后期战争太累了。。伤的很

xiaos6638

5代对于游戏可玩性还是优化了的，虽然游戏本身未必比4代强

yalinzi

个人还是喜欢文明4一点